Twisted them all to make sense to him. I lost the game. GangstaFoLife posted Yeah I get that. But how did the Comstock version even get to Columbia and become the prophet?
User Info: NineteenHundred. Zachary Hale Comstock came into being when Booker Dewitt accepted his baptism. He changed is name, denounced or rather, denied his past and became the xenophobic zealot we've all come to love.
Yes, I am probably making fun of you. User Info: AnotherSomebody. The moment where he decided whether or not to be baptised was a branching point in his life. The version s of him that chose to be baptized was "reborn" and chose his new name to be Zachary Comstock. It's very clear that no version of Booker is a particularly good person, so it was inevitable that even as a god-fearing patriot he would find a way to twist that into something awful, hence Columbia and all that jazz.
User Info: ZomgNoWai. Comstock doesn't want Booker to stop this "prophecy" of his from happening. What a lot of people don't seem to realize is that Comstock is a completely different person that the Booker we play as. Yes, they are the same person physically, but mentally they went on to live completely different lives after a turning point in their lives.
We don't even know his original purpose in kidnapping Elizabeth from our Booker. I'm sure it has something to do with the Lutece twins though and his need for an heir. My theory is that Comstock has his reasons for wanting to purge the world in fire most likely because of what happened at the Battle of Wounded Knee. So at some point he probably meets the Letece twins and they help him create the machine to go into other worlds.
Now we also know that he needed an heir for his throne according to the Arc Angel Gabriel, well the problem is, he's sterile. He uses Booker's debt as a means to acquire her from him. So now that Comstock has Elizabeth he has to get rid of anyone who knows the truth i.
But the Twins are aware that they exist in more than one universe and because of that they use Booker to undo all the wrong they did. Thus the events of the game unfold. The same thing applies to Elizabeth, at the end of the game she realizes that she is a constant force in every universe, that is also why she says she can see through all the doors and see each outcome.
Comstock's reasons for keeping Elizabeth locked up are: A He does not want Booker getting to her B He is preparing her to take over as his heir. So back to the ending we learn that Booker is just a pawn in a never ending cycle that is slightly different each time, hence why they say "Constants and variables".
The Constants are Elizabeth, Booker and Comstock and the variables are all the small changes that happen to him. So now that Booker learns he will always become Comstock and always stay as Booker Dewitt he let's Elizabeth kill him to stop everything from happening. By doing this he cancels out the cycle stopping any of these events from happening. This also means he most likely has no memory of anything that happened in the game.
The reason I think Elizabeth has all these powers is possibly because she came from a different universe and grew up reading books on Quantum Physics enabling her with the ability to manipulate the fabric of time. Now one of my theory on the visit to Rapture in the end is that it's just another outcome of "Constants and Variables". Now you also have to take into account all the different variables that could have happened to lead to this outcome.
It is also possible that Bioshock 1 and 2 could just be another part of the cycle and have nothing to do with Infinite besides the fact that they exist in the same universe. The whole thing makes your head hurt when you try to figure it out, which is what makes me love the story so much. Nothings better than a game that gets you thinking. I will say though the story in this game really takes away from the first 2, It's like why do those stories even matter, but I guess the best way to look at it is a new story in a never ending book.
Also this is all just my take on what happened and how I think everything went down. The title also makes sense now, It's called Bioshock Infinite because there is an infinite number of possibilities.
In one set, he does not go through with the baptism, so all his sins from the war still weigh on him, making him spiral out of control into drinking and gambling. Some time after the failed baptism he gets married and has Anna I don't know if there is an official source that says he has Anna before the baptism, but everything works if he had her after In the other set, he goes through with it, he becomes Comstock, builds Columbia, becomes sterile, needs an heir, and decides to buy Anna from a Booker in the previous set.
The first Booker regrets the decision, tries to get her back, and everything that happens in the game unfolds as he tries to find her with the help of Luteces, who have their own agenda to undo what they did, specifically, building the machine which is tearing the space-time continuum.
So, the only reason to stop the multiverse from collapsing, is to avoid building the machine, ie, stopping Columbia from being built. What we see at the end, is Elizabeth drowning all the Bookers from the second set, all versions that would become Comstock are killed smothered while being born, as Booker says near the end. I believed they only killed the ones from that set, so the original Bookers are still alive, but they never sold their Annas, and that's what we see in the scene at the end post credits.
Booker becomes comstock because he gave his daughter away and gets baptised to rid himself of his "sins" aka all the stuff in the war, the gambling, drinking then giving her away ect.. Rebaptised as Zachery Comstock he became obsessed with getting his daughter back and other fanatical ideas through redemption of religion. The Lutece's question their actions as wrong after being killed by Comstock but realising they still exist in different timelines.
The Lutece's send The Booker our booker we know that gave his child away to the future, but his memories are muddled and he thinks hes going "to get the girl to wipe his debt".. So he lets them drown him to end this timeline. From what I understood, Comstock is Booker, Booker is Comstock, Comstock being Booker if he had been baptized in a different parallel universe. As I writed in other answer , looking at this ending without post-credit scene is not complete experiance. Further, there is "suspension of disbelief," where you put the real world aside in order to enjoy the fictional one you're presented with.
This really only works with a good story, and Bioshock Infinite delivered for me anyway. Quantum entanglement literally makes the ending impossible. Infinite universes can be resolved by using number, and primarily set theory. The game simplifies the many worlds theories from physics a bit, but it also does this a little inconsistently, some aspects use a simplified model, others don't. As a side note, many worlds theory was popularized by a guy called Bryce DeWitt The game argues that after the baptism, Booker will either remain Booker or become Comstock.
So by ending his life before the choice is made and Elizabeth does say this, it must be done "[ Killing Booker at this time will also remove all non-baptized Bookers from the following timelines meaning Elizabeth will never be born. The key aspect here is the subsequent timelines are affected. But then what about the final scene?
And what about the last Elizabeth that doesn't disappear before fading to black? Well here is where the simplification sort of comes in, there aren't many possibly any constants in the world. Also, the many worlds theory prevents paradoxes since every event creates a new universe and no universes are destoryed.
If i go back in time and kill my grandfather, that event created a new universe. I'm not killing my grandfather, i'm creating a new universe that would had a duplicate version of me, had i not killed that duplicates grandfather. This is one reason why this theory is useful in quantum mechanics. Infinities are a little funny. You can split an infinity in an infinite number of bits or sets and each set could have any number of elements, including an infinite amount.
This also means that in an infinite set of outcomes, even the tiniest possibility will be guaranteed to actually occur, no matter how unlikely it is. So in the game, some universes had the original baptism and some didn't, but how many exacly?
Infact there are a basically infinite number of universes with both alternatives since an infinite set can have an infinite number of subsets, each with infinite elements this means that there would likely be a very large number of omnipotent Elizabeths that would all show up at the final scene.
That would probably overload my gpu though, so there is only a couple :. Now given that there are an infinite number of universes, and that all events, not only the baptism, spawn "new" universes, its entirely plausible that there is one or infact infinite universe s where Booker doesn't gamble, or doesn't make a deal to sell Anna, or by some other means enables the final scene. This is the slightly inconsistent bit. The game portrays the baptism as a constant, but there really isn't basis for that, there might be any number of universes where Booker never went there or didn't even do the bad things that caused him to consider the baptism in the first place.
The game does establish that Booker can have dreams from "other" universes with the burning New York, so the Booker in the "final scene" universe could have dreamt of the events in the "player" universe. Though both of these would be equally "real". The final non disappearing Elizabeth at least if we argue she doesn't disappear could come from such a universe, she is arguably not the same Elizabeth we've seen all game as she is missing the pendant.
The disapearing Elizabeths are also a little inconsistent with the many worlds theory, since they would not be destroying the future universes as much as they would create new ones where the events of the game never happened. The Elizabeths however would still originate from universes where the events did happen, so they would remain.
That would be a very bleak ending though since they would never be able to prevent the games events no matter what they did. They'd only create new universes without those events. Is this what Mr Levine had in mind when he wrote this? I dunno, but it is a viable logical solution to what we see at least :. Now, whats really interesting is the last couple of voxophones, such as "the ultimatum" where Rosalind talks about Robert and how he wants to reverse what they have done.
Rosalind notes that she result is going to be sad but that she will go along with it. From this it would seem that Robert and Rosalind pull Booker in to the or should I say one of the Comstock realities and actually set the events of the game in motion because Robert feels remorse about the baby buying thing. But then why didnt they just go back and not buy the baby in the first place instead of going from universe to universe looking for the one where Booker is able to defeat Comstock?
Who knows :. Because of the "constants and variables" idea almost any ending you conceive has happened, is happening, will happen. If you look at it this way, we are all right. The scene is actually quite easy to explain, although Booker dies at the baptism, this only prevents all versions of Comstock being born, not all versions of Booker, it should be noted though that the Booker that you play as does indeed die, but the alternate versions of Booker are still alive, and since Comstock never existed, Anna is never taken, meaning it's very likely that she is in the crib.
To conclude, in the post credits scene, you play as an alternate universe version of Booker in which Comstock never existed, therefore Anna is not taken, and this Booker and Anna live together, whether or not Booker still gambles among other things is unknown though.
As there can be many incremental differences between universes. A fair number of the arguments presented here have already been mentioned in one form or another. I am however surprised that this has not appeared so far, so this theory is supposed to be a concise unified final solution. The term "infinite alternate realities" is thrown around quite often not just in reference to Bioshock , but it seems to me that the background and true implications of the Many Worlds Interpretation [MWI] generally fail to be acknowledged.
To put matters into perspective, think about the following:. In reality, the 'entire' universe may be much bigger or in fact infinite in size, however our observable universe is very much finite 91 billion light years across. This is crucial, because everything outside of the cosmological horizon is fundamentally inaccessible to us, i.
Naturally, any finite system only has a finite number of non-redundant configurations. Moreover, since the vast majority of the universe is practically irrelevant to events that take place on earth after all, the number of grains of sand on a planet in another galaxy does not affect earth's history in the slightest , we really only need to look at alternate universes in which something on earth is different. The number of those is actually very easy to calculate.
That is a fairly large number, but decidedly finite. Crucially though, this not only includes instances where you are wearing a differently coloured shirt or did have something else for breakfast, but extends to universes in which the events of Bioshock or any other fictional story actually transpired on earth, and even includes absurdities like the earth not being a rocky spheroid but rather an equilateral cube made of pure gold.
Obviously, most of these earths are uninhabited or uninhabitable altogether and even the ones that are vastly different in terms of human civilization and history are generally disregarded when people are referring to alternate realities. Taking into account all the MWI's implications has significant impact on the game's interpretability. For one, it would mean that all the choices Booker and Elizabeth make are basically meaningless since there always is an alternate reality in which their alter egos made the exact opposite choice.
Though Elizabeth in particular would still be in a desperate situation after realizing that she cannot change anything , this would make the characters far less relatable in my opinion, because their problems are more detached from reality, and the game is not about nihilism anyway.
For Elizabeth however, who can travel between worlds, the realization that there is absolutely no change she can effect would presumably be devastating. Secondly, the ending would not make sense because preventing the baptism would be ultimately futile, as in reality universes cannot be destroyed since their existence is tautological, and even if we grant that caveat, there would still remain other universes in which Booker does not cease to exist.
In some he would not have become a drunk in the first place, or would not have sold his daughter, or genuinely changed his character irrespective of the baptism. In the real MWI there are no necessary constants across alternate universes; there is no reason to assume that the baptism is a fixed anchor across all realities or that all alternatives branch from such a one.
Therefore, I would suggest that for the sake of the game's coherence and integrity it is a much healthier approach to assume that not all possible alternate realities exist, but only those that are in fact created by Elizabeth or the Luteces, all branching off of the prime one which would have to be one in which Booker becomes Comstock.
The first alternate reality is created by Rosalind during her first successful experiment, at most a few years before the baptism. Robert and Rosalind continue to create branch-universes while they are working for Comstock and Elizabeth starts doing the same as soon as she begins to display her ability. The fact that in this scenario the first parallel universe is created only after the events of Bioshock 1 and 2 transpire in Rapture is not a contradiction. For one, every universe is of course created with a complete and self-consistent history it's not like its inhabitants don't remember anything before a certain date and in addition, time is not universal across the multiverse but unique to each one.
That is to say there is no simultaneity between them. This means there are fairly few universes within the game, possibly as few as During the ending sequence Elizabeth first speaks of thousands and later 'a million millions', but I'd interpret that as her being overwhelmed herself essentially saying 'very many', maybe billions, but definitely not infinitely many.
As a result however, choices become meaningful. When Elizabeth first passes over into a new world during the game after finding the dead Chen Lin, disregarding minor forays before , Booker tells her that she does not create new realities but only opens doors to pre-existing ones. He would be incorrect, but that's all right since he doesn't know better and only tries to comfort her. This approach is backed up by the out-of-phase soldiers in the prison.
The newly created reality differs from the prime universe mainly insofar as certain people are dead in one and alive in the other. Had all possible realities been actualized before, every single human would be phased out since there would always be a world in which they are not alive. Therefore Elizabeth is implicitly responsible for creating a whole new world in which people suffer, which makes her a beautifully tragic and relatable character.
In the end then, after the Siphon is destroyed, she essentially becomes God of the entire Bioshock multiverse. This is practically canon and supported by many in-game hints.
She explicitly says that she can see all universes omniscience and when she opens a tear immediately after the Siphon is destroyed, it is implied that she not simply opens a tear where there already was a crack like before when she did not know she was creating new universes, but rather is now aware what she is capable of and wilfully actualizes the gateway to Rapture and the sea of doors omnipotence.
It's reasonable then, to assume that the sea of doors is not a 'real' in the sense of natural place — a universe existing solely as a hub to other realities seems rather artificial — but rather one created by Elizabeth to visualize to Booker as well as herself, as it takes a few moments for her to understand the extent of her powers when she 'finds' the key what the multiverse is and how it works.
The other pairs really do exist in their own respective realities, but they are not consciously present in the scene and instead only appear as representations of their world.
The most important clue in my opinion however, is the fact that during the ending when Booker is drowned, all but one instance of Elizabeth all those non-omnipotent versions whose Booker did not succeed in getting her to this point vanish.
Since she is Booker's daughter in every universe, erasing his existence from the baptism onward would prevent her from ever being born and so all of her instantiations should have vanished ignoring the time-loop paradox at this point. In the established timeline, Elizabeth is always born after the baptism event and so should be affected, but even if she had been born before the pre-Baptism Comstock-to-be Booker in the final scene cannot be one who had a daughter indicated by his bleeding nose in the boat and increasingly confused memories as a result of being fused with another version of himself or the drowning would have no effect.
So in every possible interpretation, all versions of her should vanish. That this does not happen strongly suggests that Elizabeth has transcended the space-time continuum likely shifted into probability space which avoids any time-related paradoxes and complications with unforeseen consequences e.
Clock Roaches. Thus, the ending scene is more of a symbolic act that represents all baptism-rejecting and -accepting instantiations of Booker to emphasize both their sacrifices, which is supported by the generally anti-objectivist narrative, leaning heavily towards a Zen-like approach to dealing with the struggle that is life.
Though many Bookers effectively die when their universes are closed, the drowning mainly serves to illustrate that Booker has to kill his self to really become free of himself by relinquishing his will to live and embracing death, thereby detaching himself from the world and Elizabeth, which she has to accept by letting him go. It is real and Booker is alive. This means that Elizabeth erased all universes in which he became Comstock and possibly stripped herself of her powers, returning to her infant self to give Booker a chance of living with his daughter.
The Comstock-universes cease to exist because she wills it, not as a result of drowning Booker, because that happens before the baptism and there is no guarantee for any pre-baptism Booker to be one who would accept baptism. The scene is not real and something like a distant afterthought or melancholy figment of Elizabeth's imagination.
In this case she erased every single universe, including the prime one, in an effort to end the cycle and eradicate not only all violence, but also all possibility of Booker or someone like him ever becoming someone like Comstock and building 'a city'. As an ultimate sacrifice, she could even remove herself from existence, thus erasing the entire Bioshock history.
Either way, one chilling implication of the ending, no matter which interpretation you choose, is that even in the most favourable situation she is ultimately responsible for single-handedly wiping out trillions of lives. Presented as a floating symbol of American ideals at a time when the United States was becoming a world power, Columbia was sent to all corners of the globe on a goodwill tour.
In , during the Boxer Rebellion in Peking , China, Comstock learned that the Boxers were holding American citizens hostage and ordered Columbia to open fire upon the Chinese populace. This act revealed to the world that Columbia was, in fact, a giant warship. The United States government disavowed Columbia and ordered Comstock to stand down. Seeing this as a betrayal, Comstock led Columbia in seceding from the Union the following year, and the city vanished into the skies.
Comstock thereafter declared Columbia the true America, believing the United States to be a shell of its former self, and condemning it along with the rest of the world. Through Rosalind and Robert's device , Comstock saw that Columbia would only prosper as long as his bloodline continued to rule the city. However, overuse of the Tear device took its toll on Comstock; he aged rapidly and soon discovered that he had been rendered sterile.
After rejecting Preacher Witting's baptism, Booker, still-regretful, had spiraled deep into alcoholism and gambling debt. Comstock had Robert offer to wipe away those debts in exchange for Booker's infant daughter, Anna DeWitt. Booker haltingly agreed, and Robert brought Anna to Comstock. Almost immediately regretting his decision, Booker pursued Robert to retrieve Anna. He found them in an alleyway preparing to pass through a Tear back to Comstock's reality. Although Booker tried to stop him from taking Anna through the Tear, Comstock managed to escape with her.
The Tear severed Anna's pinky finger, the resulting scar she hid with a thimble. Comstock saw Anna as the key to his dream of remaking the world a reality. However, the child was rejected by Lady Comstock, who believed her to be Rosalind and Comstock's "bastard" child. At Lady Comstock's insistence the child not live under their roof, Comstock created Monument Island Tower to house her.
When the child began to develop Tear-making powers, Comstock saw to the creation of the Siphons to keep them in check. Renaming her Elizabeth , Comstock began to call her the "Lamb of Columbia," and the Founders would come to worship her as their savior.
Overuse of the Luteces' tear machine continued to deteriorate Comstock's body, giving him cancer and causing him to have the appearance of an elderly man at thirty-eight years of age. He began to forewarn the populace that a "False Shepherd" would appear and began formulating a plan to make Elizabeth servile to him. Lady Comstock had been growing frustrated and angry with keeping the truth about Elizabeth from the populace.
Comstock, knowing that she was going to reveal the truth, in , [7] had Lady Comstock killed and framed her servant, Daisy Fitzroy , for the murder. This act set in motion the chain of events that would lead to Fitzroy creating the revolutionary group known as the Vox Populi. Meanwhile, Rosalind and Robert saw the future of Columbia, and what Elizabeth would become, through their machine.
In an effort to prevent such a future, they plotted to take Elizabeth from Comstock and return her to her original universe. Comstock soon discovered what they were doing, and ordered Jeremiah Fink to sabotage their contraption, which seemingly killed the two as they were using it.
The effects of the sabotage, in fact, caused the Luteces to exist across all space and time, giving them the ability to appear wherever and whenever they wanted. Still determined to stop Comstock, they devised a plan to send Booker to Columbia to retrieve his long-lost daughter.
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